Having sex in marriage is important. Necessary. Crucial.
Women need sex to feel emotionally connected. Men need sex to feel loved and desirable.
But as most married women will tell you, marriage sure slows down the frequency of sex and sexual mood. Whether it be long work days, stress, children, or other daily distraction–a woman’s sexual impulse can be sucked right out.
All too often in marriage, women find themselves saying “no” to sex much more than “yes.” There is even the mythical male who turns down sex with his wife… a very rare breed, indeed.
I have heard it said before that women should just go ahead and have sex, even when they don’t feel like it. I agree with that sentiment and here’s why:
I know some people might think this idea sounds downright archaic and misogynistic. But, here I am–a modern woman–telling other women to just get busy, even when the urge isn’t there.
Reason being, marriage convinced me of the male need for sex. Dennis Prager has discussed this topic on his radio show quite frequently. He refers to women pulling the old famous sex shutdown line: “I don’t feel like it.” His response to that excuse makes me smile. To paraphrase him:
In life there are countless things we have to do each day, even though we “don’t feel like it.” We go to work, pay our bills, call that one annoying guy, get to bed at a reasonable hour, even though we don’t necessarily feel like it. Why should sex be any different?
Women have somehow hijacked sex and planted this notion in their minds that sex is always suppose to be romantic, or glamorous, or that they must be totally 100% “in the mood” in order to have it. If these prerequisites aren’t met, well then, no sex.
I took a pre-marriage class with my husband and one of the week’s topics was sex in marriage. A sex expert (such a cool job title by the way) and counselor taught us that, on average, men need sex 2 to 3 times per week–not want sex twice a week, but actually need sex (you’re welcome gentlemen. I’m spreading the word).
For men, sex is a stress release, a wanted distraction from their busy lives and responsibilities. It is also how they feel loved from their wives, which, if you ask me, is sorta important.
On day 13 of turning down your husband, men don’t only feel pent-up stress, but they also begin to feel unloved and undesirable.
My friend Carrington just wrote a post challenging women to say “yes” to sex more. I have practiced this and, let me just tell you that it makes a difference in my marriage. The hubster and I have better quality and more frequent sex now than ever (too much detail? Sorry, hope you’re not blushing).
If I’m not up for being intimate in that exact moment–usually 11:00 o’clock at night after a day of being covered in toddler slime, then I will reschedule for another time. Which is a reminder to men–timing is important. Don’t ask her at the end of a very long, tiring day. Ask her when she feels most in the mood, when the iron is hot, so to speak. For more tips, gentlemen, on improving your sex life, check out this post.
Ladies, commit to trying to say “yes” at least three times in a row. Set the mood. Take a shower. Pray. Lock yourself in the bathroom for 10 minutes away from little ones (I highly recommend this one). Do whatever you need to do to say “yes.”
The more I go ahead and have sex, even when I don’t feel in the mood, the more God has actually blessed our sex life. And guess what, when I say “yes” more, I’m much more apt to get “in the mood” faster, too. In fact, I have the “I’m not in the mood” thought run through my mind rarely these days.
So, when he asks, pounce on him. Or heck, don’t wait for him to ask… pounce first, ask questions later.
Do you agree or disagree? Do you think women should say “yes” even when they might not be in the mood? Have you practiced this? What has made a difference in your married sex life?

Carrington said...
I love how you said this, so well done! I agree, and this is the one thing that always turns from “I don’t feel like it”, to- “Wow, that felt good”.
I wish all the things I “didn’t feel like doing” turned into that. :)
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Carrington...
I know right. I wish I could turn diaper changing, washing dishes, and cleaning house into some kind of blissful experience.
Jon Griffith said...
Single, and feeling unloved, at least 3 times per week…where oh where is my juliet :)?
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Jon Griffith...
So sorry Jon. I know, this post is not exactly single-person friendly, but I hope you enjoyed nonetheless.
ashleigh said...
I totally agree! It makes a huge difference in so many areas. When i’m quicker to say yes rather than “i’m not in the mood,” our sex life is better and even our overall communication with each other improves!
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to ashleigh...
Isn’t it crazy how God does that? I truly believe God honors my quickness to say “yes” with a better sex life overall. God really does care about our sex lives in marriage. So stinkin’ cool!
Ade said...
Geeeez! The entire world is trying to kill me with their sex talk. All my girlfriends seem to be in a (married!) sexual feeding frenzy. I guess this post doesn’t apply to us single and sad gals, does it? Snicker. J/K, of course!
Good post. I agree 100%, you need more sex is a relationship to keep it healthy than the average woman seems to want.
Ade
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Ade...
Ade,
I know…sorry, I’m not trying to rub it anyone’s face. You’re right though…marriages need more sex than most women give. I’m just trying to spread the word… wink, wink.
patricia said...
this single mama needs a cold shower.
k.thanks.bye.
Tamara said...
I agree. Even though I’m single and only 21. There’s a culture among women that says that sex is something that needs to be earned. One of my friend’s preached a sermon about sex once (it happens sometimes…) and talked about how husbands and wives need to seduce each other. They need to make sure their sex life is healthy, because just like a person’s physical, emotional and spiritual health impact each other… a healthy sex life has a good effect on a relationship.
End of ramble.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Tamara...
Tamara,
What a great point about women thinking men need to earn sex. There is that mindset in the single unbelieving world and unfortunately, also within some Christian marriages.
That’d be a great post for another time actually.
I so agree too with the preacher you heard. Couples should seduce each other always. Marriage is the time to enjoy and participate in sex freely and openly and often. Not before marriage.
And you didn’t ramble. You said great stuff. I dig your blog by the way. You have a great voice in regards to the current culture. Thanks for commenting Tamara. I hope to hear more from you in the future.
Joyce D. said...
Hi Nicole, thanks for spreading the word on this topic. Yes, I agree 100%. Single people eventually getting married need to take this information in because sex IS vital in a marriage.
Good news if there are women that have been practicing “I’m not in the mood”:
When physical intimacy commences after a furlough (yes it is our job as wives & husbands), the validation & love husbands need & connection that wives long for… can be salvaged.
Been married for 14 years now. For me personally, I didn’t realize this until I met Christ who gave me the desire to love my husband in ways that glorify Him.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Joyce D....
Joyce,
You used such an important word: “jobs”
People only want to think of sex, as well sexy…like in the movies. That is simply not practical nor reality. It sounds terrible, but part of our “job” or “role” as spouses is to fulfill one another sexually.
I love too that you feel as though you are glorifying God in loving your husband intimately. Your husband is a lucky man!
Mbalakala said...
First, I’m not married so this comment wouldn’t really count. Anyway, I’d say this is just a matter of weighing up what’s more precious to me: my wellbeing or the wellbeing of the person I love. But here’s the thing: her wellbeing happens to override and transform mine. Put it like that it sounds strange, but it’s a pretty common feeling, I’d say: Isn’t that the reason why we give presents to other people? Their joy become ours (or at least we think their joy is worth the money!)
I do agree that there are a whole lot of situations where we must compromise and do things even when we don’t feel like it (I particularly hate going to work on Mondays), but what we’re talking about here is in my view too delicate and demanding a situation (not to mention invasive) for it to be part of them.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Mbalakala...
You aren’t disqualified from commenting because you aren’t married.
I will say though that having had sex outside of marriage and inside of marriage–they really are two very different worlds.
You said you feel as though sex is “too delicate and demanding a situation (not to mention invasive)…to be included in your “I don’t feel like it, but will do it anyway list.”
I get that, but here’s the thing. Sex in marriage isn’t meant to be “delicate” or “demanding” or “invasive.” It is the ultimate expression of love, in physical form. Without being too graphic–the closest a man and a woman can become. Two become one.
Sex should never feel like a burden or work. I do view it as my job however, but one that I love because I love my husband. There is no such thing as too “invasive” in a healthy marriage with healthy sex.
Shauna said...
Have you ever felt used when your husband wants to have sex and you don’t, like your body is just there for his pleasure? Or even been pressured into it? What about the times when you have sex and feel like “let’s just get it over with,” is it still beneficial then? I’d just like to know how you deal with the negative thoughts and negative responses from your body in marriage related to sex.
Bradley Pinn said...
I disagree. Here’s why:
(This is a perspective from a guy who isn’t in a sexual relationship, but I’ll illustrate this with an example of if I was married.)
If I wanted to have relations with my wife, but she didn’t feel enthused about it at the time… I can live with that. Why? Well, for one reason, even if it is a very good thing, sex isn’t a strict need-and this is coming from a man. I don’t know what that sexpert was talking about, but we’re not probably not on the same page when it comes to what constitutes a need. Even if the idea of “needs” is broad enough to incorporate sex, that would incorporate the sexual needs of women just as much. (yeah, conventional wisdom tells us that guys like sex more than women, but conventional wisdom is so often wrong.)
More importantly, though, why would I want to do it with my wife if she wasn’t all that excited? The best part about having sex with someone is for both people to have mutual pleasure! So, if she’s not that into it, that automatically means that I won’t be into it.
To sum it up, sex with an enthusiastic parter is the best kind of sex, and I’d rather have good sex in small frequency than boring sex all the time.
Hope said...
This is an older post, I know, but I have to say, I’m a little horrified by this. “Say yes even when you don’t feel like it”? What does that say to younger women, unmaried women, your children, about what it means to be a woman and to have bodily autonomy and be able to be respected for your choices regarding your body? I’ve heard this before–my married best friend learned it at a conference. And another married friend said our pastor told her to do this in pre-marital counseling (her fiance told her later he would never expect that of her). Seems to me that true love wouldn’t want a woman to view sex as her job, or to feel obligated to give her body when she’s not feeling it.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Hope...
Hope,
Thank you for raising your objections here. I’m glad to discuss.
Firstly, the concept that a woman has “boldily autonomy” is not a Biblical one. In fact, the Bible says quite the opposite. 1 Cor 7:2-6 says, “The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.”
We are told by Paul to not deprive our spouse of sex, in order to resist temptation. I belong to my husband and that includes physically. Likewise, he belongs to me.
That is not to say that I have no right to say “no” to sex within my marriage. My point in the post, however, is this: We do many things daily that we do not “feel” like doing–going to work, taking care of kids, paying the bills, being responsible adults, yet we still do them because we know we should. Sometimes, sex is that thing.
As difficult as it may be to understand at times, sex within marriage can quickly become rote routine. It loses its sparkle at times because, well, life gets busy and people get tired or distracted.
If a wife never wants to have sex with her husband, well that is an entirely different problem. I am speaking, however, to most wives who occasionally say “no” to sex even when it would benefit their husbands, themselves, and their marriages to say yes.
There is a lie spun by popular culture that woman need to protect their bodies autonomy ( much of which came out of Roe v. Wade in an attempt to legitimize abortion). However, the Lord does not mention such a concept in scripture. I am not talking about disrespecting one’s self, but rather respecting the role of husband and wife and the need for sex within marriage. I serve my husband even when I don’t feel like it. I say “I love you” even on days when I don’t feel so loving. Likewise, I say “yes” to sex even when I may not be in “the mood.”
I will either get in the mood by virtue of saying “yes” or I won’t, but chances are I will be blessed (as will my marriage) for my willingness to obey God’s Word and serve my husband.
I hope that helps clarify my position. Thanks for commenting Hope.
Hope said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
Thank you for your response, Nicole.
It does make sense. It really does. But it’s just so…different to me. I guess, because of the fact that I was involved in a relationship (i broke off our engagement) where I was always being pressured, never felt like my “no” was respected…what you’re describing sounds like my worst nightmare. So I’m curious as to how I could ever get around to your point of view.
Does that make sense?
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Hope...
Hope,
I get it. I was not a virgin when I got married and so this whole thing was a new concept to me. However, being married to a Godly man who has my (and our marriage’s) best interests in mind makes a huge difference. Because there is so much mutual respect, it makes it easier for me to embrace God’s Word regarding this topic.
A husband who is pursuing Christ made the difference for me. Hope, I’ll be praying that God continues to reveal His purposes in this area to you and that you would be comforted by His plan.
Jacqui said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
Nicole,
I think you are over-simplifying this problem in marriage, that just by having sex with each other it will fix everything. For too long, marriage has been an unequal environment. Most women would probably be aware that our mothers were of those generations that ‘never said no to their husbands’. I resent that my mother felt she had to do that. Women are biologically different to men, we simply don’t need sex like men do. Women get their affection in other ways so yes, it is like doing your husband a favour to say yes when you are not in the mood. Men too need to start giving women affection in the terms they need, like treating their wife as an equal and not as a housekeeper and sexual gratifier. I know Nicole you believe that your husband is fabulous because he is Christian but I would say mine is fabulous because he has been able to override in his mind, all the traditional Christian values that have caused women to be trapped in their oppression in the first place. Most religions are extremely sexist..unless you’ve considered that God might be female?? I guess what I’m saying is that women are now defining marriage based on what they want and need, not on what men have always determined is required and if that is ending in a high divorce rate, maybe we need to think up a more equal type of relationship that incorporates both parties’ needs. The Christian faith depends on traditional marriage like oxygen but the rest of the modern world is open to thinking that maybe there is a better kind of normal.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Jacqui...
Thank you for your comment.
Firstly, I am over-simplifying the issue. I completely agree. I think that the issue of sex in marriage needs to be simplified. Too often, I believe women want to add layers of emotion and context to the act of sex, that is not always necessary.
I am certainly a woman. I like to be “in the mood.” I like all of the circumstances leading up to sex to be ideal. However, in the business of life–children, housework, blogging, that is not always possible. The scenario I often see with women, however, is a flat-out refusal to engage in sex if every single prerequisite is not met.
The moment I was personally able to shift out of “me” mode and all of the things I thought I needed, I was better able to meet my husbands needs. More than that, in viewing sex as a gift to give to my husband, I actually began to enjoy and desire to engage in sex more.
It is naive, and counter to God’s Word to believe that sex in marriage is anything but a mutual expression of God’s love. Sex is neither for the man or the woman, but for both and to offered to one’s spouse as such.
The problem, is the world sees the idea that sex is all about self-gratification. Not so. Sex is about offering one’s self fully and wholly to your spouse and they in return offering themselves to you. The pleasure derived from such an act, is the undeserved blessing of self-sacrifice and selflessness.
You point out the fact that women are now beginning to define marriage based upon “what they want and need, not on what men have always determined is required and if that is ending in a high divorce rate, maybe we need to think up a more equal type of relationship that incorporates both parties’ needs.”
I agree. If men being sexual gratified isn’t working and women setting their own sexual parameters isn’t working, then perhaps God’s model of sex being a gift given to both to enjoy, is the answer.
Latoya said...
WHOA! I never even thought about it like this. I mean I definitely understand the sentiments of a woman and not wanting it and to be honest I can go a few weeks and sex doesn’t even cross my mind. But now reading this it has opened up my eyes to just how my husband is feeling. Thanks for sharing…definitely great insights!
Corynne said...
Girl – you are preaching in this article!! I have been married for 8 years and in the beginning – couldn’t give a flip about sex. But in those years I have never told my husband no (well unless aunt Flo was in town and he was glad for the warning LOL!) My pastor has preached on this many times and I knew deep in my heart that that is God’s will for my life and marriage. Let me tell – I have evolved and my marriage has too. Sex is for each other – as you pointed out in the scripture you mentioned in your response to another reader (by the way you handled all their comments beautifully). If we as women could just grasp that this is a gift that we are supposed to give how much easier our lives would be.
And if you want to look at it in a worldly way – just think. When you send your hubby off to work with a smile on his face, he is less likely to notice that potential homewrecking co worker at his job if he is eager to get back home to you – I’m just sayin’.
I also agree with what you said about being able to have sex when you don’t feel like it because you have a man that is seeking after Christ. A godly man wont make you feel used and abused or taken advantage of. A godly man won’t ask when the kids have driven you crazy or your are all stopped up with snot running everywhere. He will be just as sensitive to your needs and you have been to his. Marriage is a godly institution and it is based on authority – whether we like it or not. I was raised to be an independent woman but when it was time for me to get married, it was time for me to become someone’s help meet. It was not easy, trust me. But I had to trust God and the God in my husband to submit and do my best to be the wife I am called to be. Thanks so much for the post. I will have to come back to your site and read some more.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Corynne...
Corynne,
Great points! I love what you added, especially about sending our husbands off to work with a smile on their face instead of a longing that has not been met. Sex is such a great guard against adultery.
Your husband sounds like a blessed man!
NotJustAnotherJennifer said...
Yes, yes, yes!!! This is so true. The more you do it, the more you want it. I have only turned my husband down once or twice (aside from when I can’t due to monthly timing), and I often take the initiative.
We went through a time where it wasn’t happening often and it became kind of run-of-the-mill. But once we started doing it more, we got more adventurous, it was more exciting. I can honestly say, the longer we are married, the better it gets. I don’t know where the idea came from that married sex is boring sex – it certainly doesn’t have to be!
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to NotJustAnotherJennifer...
Your husband is a blessed man indeed! You are quick to say “yes” and you initiate! Awesome!
So much of a healthy sex life is just about saying “yes’ and be willing. Things like desire and fun seem to fall into place after that.
Carrington said...
I see the choice to have sex with my husband when I “don’t feel like it” the same as my choice to love my husband “when I don’t feel like it”.
So much of what we are told as a culture is to demand out RIGHTS and especially as women. Sure, I have the RIGHT to say No (and my husband would NEVER force me, and respects my right), and sure, if I am having trouble connecting, or mad about something, I have the RIGHT to choose not to love him. But what would that get me? Would it bring me closer to a more fulfilling marriage? No. So- go ahead and tout your “rights”, you are totally justified- but let’s see how far it gets you in your marriage.
I feel like the Lord blesses these sacrifices we make by turning them around. When I choose to love my husband even when I’m not feeling so loving towards him, guess what? I fall in love with him! My choice leads to the very feeling I am waiting for!
When I choose not to say no to my husband, even when I’m not in the mood, guess what? I get in the mood! I enjoy my experience! I don’t just say “Okay” and then lay there feeling used- I not only say yes, but I CHOOSE the experience, I choose to enjoy it, I choose to engage, to connect- I am in control of all of those things- and in no way to I feel like my husband is controlling me, or “making me”, or I am doing my “duty”.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Carrington...
Carrington,
I love love love your comment. All of it. It is the perfect message that women need to hear.
This is so great too: “Would it bring me closer to a more fulfilling marriage? No. So- go ahead and tout your “rights”, you are totally justified- but let’s see how far it gets you in your marriage.”
Amen! I wish more women would pause and ask themselves similar questions. Our marriages and sex-lives would be better for it.
Ally Spotts said...
Can I just say… I am so, so impressed by what you are doing here. I know it can be hard to speak up when people are cruel, and I know that rude comments (as much as we tell ourselves that they aren’t about us) can be a total punch in the gut…
But don’t stop doing what you’re doing. These issues are hard for ALL of us to think about, talk about, write about, and they can sometimes bring out the worst in us… but I think opening the door for these discussions also gives God the opportunity to do his redemptive work in us.
Your exchange with Hope (above) has me speechless. In a good way! I love her honesty, and yours. I don’t even know what more to say about it. Just really cool.
I’m glad I found your blog, and glad you like mine. I’ll definitely keep reading!
MelissaF said...
@Nicole Cottrell, as a woman who is a wife & mother, I feel sorry that you put sex in the ‘chore’ category & feel that you owe your husband sex whether you want it or not. In the situation where a husband wants sex & a wife doesn’t: Why is the onus on the woman to do something she doesn’t feel like doing in order to please her husband? Why isn’t the man expected to please his wife by *not* having sex? And what enjoyment can a man get from obligation sex? Sex he is only having because his wife feels she *should*, not because she wants to…ugh. I would be worried if a man enjoyed sex that a woman didn’t really want to be having. I wouldn’t want my husband to have sex with me if he wasn’t really into it, & my husband turns down sex if he suspects I’m too tired etc to really be in the mood. We would rather wait until we both actually *want* it. Yeah, sex shouldn’t be neglected, but it shouldn’t ever be an ‘obligation’ or a ‘chore’ either. Sex for the sake of keeping your husband happy isn’t even *comparable* to sex that both partners desire wholeheartedly. Maybe instead of telling women to just spread their legs for their husband whether they want to or not, you should be telling men to respect the fact that their wife is not a sex toy to be played with at their whim. Maybe you should be telling men to cook dinner, look after the kids etc, & actually give their wives a chance to relax enough to feel desire. Also, men do not *need* sex, they are often celibate for different reasons for varying lengths of time with no ill effects. And to imply that ‘sex guards against adultery’ is ridiculous. What, if you don’t sleep with your husband the ‘necessary’ 3 times a week, he will be unable to stop himself from leaping atop the nearest willing woman? Goodness, you better watch your husband during those 6 sexless weeks after giving birth then – after all, he NEEDS sex, so you can’t blame him if he loses control & cheats. Ugh. I’m just so glad I’m married to a real MAN, not some insecure BOY who needs to assert his ‘dominance’ over the woman he’s supposed to cherish, & can’t be blamed for cheating if she wasn’t giving him enough sex. :shudder:
Luther said...
1 Corinthians 7:3-5
King James Version (KJV)
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
Even the ancients realized ( by the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit ) that we are not autonomous in marriage and that there is a NEED for sexual relations between a husband and wife.
I am lucky that my wife and I do not often have this problem ( probably TMI ).
SallyStrange said...
You do realize that marital rape is now illegal in all 50 states, right? Even North Carolina, since the 1990s, has held that forcing a woman to have sex against her will is wrong and illegal, even if she’s married to you.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to SallyStrange...
Dearest Sally,
Good thing because as a rational, healthy, law-abiding citizen I happen to abhor rape.
Did you read my post or comment out of an emotive response? In no way does my post suggest, or even hint, at the idea that a husband rape his wife. A woman being more willing to say “yes” to sex amid the craziness and busyness of life, versus always (or often) saying “no” is not rape. The fact that your mind somehow made that leap is actually scarier to me than the thought that I could ever promote such a barbaric or depraved notion.
If you are truly interested in understanding my position, not just slamming me because of your assumptions, please read the comments here on this post, especially my comment to Hope. I think a reasonable and rational person would find the truth of what I am saying is something vastly different from that which I am being accused.
JeD said...
I am a man, who for now is married. My wife and I have struggled in this area a lot. Romantic perfect sex is all she ever wanted, and since that didn’t work out well most of the time we basically stopped having sex. Now she doesn’t feel in love with me, and is wanting a divorce. This is a marriage that started out as two Christian people taking vows for life and meaning it. We could have had the sex she wanted if we had more sex. Its hard to be comfortable at something that you don’t do. Women take head that if you want your marriage to work do this. Your husband no matter how committed will quit trying after being rejected so many times, and you will end up feeling cold towards him. This is the number one way you can show your husband that you love him. Pleasing a man who is already committed to you really is this easy. Everything else can be worked out. I can not stress enough, wives if you love your husbands make sex the top priority for showing him you love him.
Michael said...
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Christ did not make you sexual, evolution did.
Your desire to say ‘No” comes directly from that sex hating religion of yours.
Can you imagine if our writer had posted “suck off your hubby three times a week”, even though I guarantee you this would be FAR more delightful to your husband than you placidly lying abed while he works for your pleasure?
You’d all be having kittens.
Because your ‘god’ hates pleasure.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Michael...
Michael,
Have you ever read the Bible, specifically the Song of Solomon? It is oozing with sexuality–the desire of a woman for a man and a man for a woman. God, I believe, allowed for that particular book to be in the Bible for a reason, part of which is to support the truth that God did in fact make us to be sexual creatures.
I agree that Christianity “hates sex.” Christians as a whole have done, and continue to do, a terrible job when it comes to the topic of sex. We scare kids from wanting it and make it sound like the worst thing on the planet. However, God does not hate sex. He created it. Christians have messed up His message of sex, not the other way around.
Your assumption too, that in my saying “yes” even at times when I’m not in the mood somehow equates to me laying in bed like a corpse is simply juvenile. I state in my post that when I do say “yes” when I might be more inclined to say “no” that in just the sheer act of willingness, I am put in the mood, so to speak. Sparing you specific details, my and my husband’s sex life is great. To assume that willingness to bless my husband, and subsequently my marriage, when perhaps my inclination at that moment is to do otherwise, does not mean our sex life is dull or that I am lifeless in bed. If anything, it means my husband is married to a woman who not only understand his sexual desires and needs, but addresses them.
As to your final quip that my God “hates pleasure”. Again, I would direct you to the Bible. Whether you believe in scripture or not, the Bible is full of sentiments that fly in the face of your comment. The book of Ecclesiastes, for example, discusses at length enjoying food, wine, and even women. Yes, there’s that “sex” part again.
You would do well to do some research on this so-called sex-hating, pleasure-hating religion you purport exists. You may be surprised to find quite the opposite.
Hatemail said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
Actually, your religion not only hates pleasure, it HATES, PERIOD.
“Oh daughter of Babylon,…blessed is he that takes up your little ones, and dashes them against the stones”
Like the kids had any hand in the ‘offense’.
“Better to marry than to burn”, well there’s a glowing recommendation for marital bliss.
Face it, the contradictions in your bibble are so manifold that you can make a case for anything…as long as you exclude inconvenient parts of the writing.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Hatemail...
One out of context and over-quoted (by atheists, I might add) Bible verse is your support that Christianity is a hateful religion? If I were to look into your life, no doubt I could find one sentence you uttered that taken out of context or on a bad day, would paint you as a mean, cruel, ignorant -minded individual.
Yes, there are lots of those verses in Bible, but there are also many others–more in fact–that exemplify loving and serving others.
You wan to bash Christianity? Go right ahead. I don’t happen to disagree with you on many of its faults. I will not, however, subscribe to the notion that it is a religion of hate. The history of Christianity, while it is tainted with some evil-doing, is more so comprised of people setting out to love others, however imperfect that process may be at times.
You seem hell bent on dismissing it all and that is fine. I just happen to operate in a realistic, practical, and level-headed world where I cannot dismiss the whole because of the faults of a few. If I did that, then life truly would be a sad and hopeless experience, where every single person I meet would be a disappointment.
People fail. People have failed “Christianity.” People have failed me. God has not. That is the difference, in my own life.
hatemail said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
No, the history of your religion, from the iconoclast wars of the Eastern Empire, to the laws of Constantine making any religion BUT Christianity a death sentence, to the shameful history of the pogroms, to the butchery of the heretic wars in France (Albesinian ring a bell?) to the modern wars on abortion rights and the murders of doctors with the collusion of the “right to life” league, is RIFE with strife, hate, murder, vengeance, and yes, PRUDERY!!!
Remember the Temperance leagues? CHRISTIANS created the 18th Amendment and the Volstead act, and thus enriched organized crime, entrenching it into America for all time.
If you HAD lived a life of realistic, practical life, you would have dismissed your bibble and its body of contradictions, cruelties and sadism long ago.
Certainly you should NOT be telling women to surrender their advantage in the ‘war between the sexes’ because YOU THINK it might make them happier to not ‘own their bodies’.
As the Vidkun called it the Religion of Slaves and Milksops, so it seems you are advocating servility as well.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to hatemail...
I find it interesting that you capitalized the word “PRUDERY,” as if being chaste or pure is somehow a negative. Not only that, you are pressing the issue of prudery on a post that actually tells women to have more sex.
You reference the “Religion of Slaves,” to which I can offer this: I have not always been a Christian. Before knowing Christ I was in different sexual relationships. I was, as many would describe, promiscuous, in fact. I was by all accounts “sexually free” and in charge of my own body. However, not until knowing Christ did I truly experience sexual freedom. Now in my marriage, which is healthy and wonderful, I can say I am more sexually free than I ever was when sleeping with different men. You may attempt to argue this point, but it is my experience and that alone is proof enough for me.
Thank you for commenting here, Hatemail.
hatemail said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
People fail. Christianity has failed, and not because of the people.
It has failed because it is the religion of slaves.
I quote from your bibble here.
“Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. (the word is alternately translated as burdens, sins or transgressions btw)”
That prayer is the most severe declaration of slavery ever uttered.
No “Slave of god” ever handed greater permission to ‘god’ to beat, maim, twist or kill the pray-ee in all history.
“Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” What about YOUR WILL? In that prayer you just said “I wish to have no will, to be a mere tool moving at your command”.
It shows in your sexual ranting.
Have sex when you don’t want it.
But don’t lie there.
So, what are you telling women? TO FAKE IT? TO LIE?
Is that your ‘advice’ for a happy life?
May I suggest you read from another book of myth for once.
Star Trek. Whose star William Shatner coined that famous phrase “GET A LIFE!!”
Danielle said...
I’ve been searching the internet looking for answers. I know what the bible says about sex in a Christian marriage and I fully agree wholeheartedly with all the biblical comments on here. Following through has been another thing.
I wasn’t saved until I was 31 years old, prior to that I was “Catholic” but had premarital relations since it seemed the “norm” in society. After being saved, I took a vow of celibacy until marriage, which was when I married at 35. My husband and I met in an Evangelism ministry and began dating after discovering we were both saved at the same time by the same testimony. We dated for 8 months and didn’t even kiss each other on the mouth; occasionally a peck on the cheek and hugs until we said, “I do” on the alter. He had told me he was a hairy man, so he had his back, chest, and upper arms waxed for our wedding night. But then, it all grew out and he didn’t maintain waxing it. On top of that, he promised to stop smoking before we got married….that never happened. He doesn’t have interest in keeping up his health physically by doing exercise nor eating right (i’m a health nut). He doesn’t brush his teeth regularly because he thinks he has superior teeth (they’re gross from smoking and drinking black coffee all day, everyday) Even when he does brush them, he doesn’t do a very good job, as his breath still wreaks afterward. So, between the hairy body, the foul breath, and the lack of health interest, I’m way turned off to the point of wanting to puke. I can barely sleep in the same bed with him, as he is a mouth breather and stinks up the air in our bedroom. I can’t be touching him because his body hair makes me so itchy.
Now, he is usually very sweet, but also very mean, understandably since I’m not giving him physical gratification. I told him before we got married that I would not stimulate him orally because I have a very tiny mouth, which causes me pain. (sorry for tmi) We’ve been married for about 16 months, and haven’t had sex very much since our honeymoon. Last time we had sex was over 3 or 4 months ago.
I’ve told my husband that it would help if he’d get waxed regularly, if he would fulfill his promise to quit smoking, brush his teeth more than once or twice a day, and if he would at least go for walks with me regularly (with our dog) so he gets at least a tiny bit of exercise. He won’t do any of the above as he refuses.
I am absolutely disgusted to be next to my husband. I am sure I will be told that I need to have sex with him regardless of these atrocities. I figured that if we were obedient in staying pure before marriage that God would help our sex life. Our savior, he can move the mountains, our god is mighty to save. I have prayed and prayed and prayed. I asked my husband if he has prayed about our sex life, he said, “why should i pray for something I should get from you automatically?”
I was a full time chemistry teacher before we got married, but quit when i got pregnant on our honeymoon. We have a beautiful son that I mother full-time at home, which I absolutely love. My husband works as a car salesman, so he works around 60 hours a week. I want to resolve our sex life not only to be obedient to the Lord, but also because our son will be watching how my husband and I interact with one another. I don’t want to be fighting in front of him as a result of our lack of sex. I want him to see us love each other.
Can anyone relate to these types of physical obstacles? Can you share your testimony to give me a glimmer of hope?
Please be nice. I’m sure I’ve said some things for which some of you would love to rip me apart.
HeligKo said in reply to Danielle...
My wife has already left. For different reasons than you describe. My advice is simple. You change. Change your focus. Do the very thing that so many Christians will shy away from, and focus on yourself a little. Not in a purely selfish way, but do the things that bring you pleasure. Find the things in your husband that please you and focus on them. The single greatest gift a wife can give her husband is the undeserved respect that only a wife he knows even the bad parts can give him. It doesn’t take much encouragement to get a man to want to please his wife. The problem that most women have, is they tend to complain/nag their husbands and wonder why they don’t respond. I don’t want to compare men to children, but a wife generally has experience motivating her children. There are so common truths in what works with all people that you have learned there. There are so uncommon truths about you and your husband you have learned there as well, since the child is raised by the tow of you and shares your genetic makeup. Use an adult version of what works with our child with him.
For God’s sake stop thinking of your husband as disgusting. I don’t mean start thinking his unattractive traits are attractive, but the more you think of him as disgusting the harder it will be for you to relate and empathize with him.
If you want some good reading on the subject look at books by Dr. Luara and Dr. Leman. Dr. Laura has her Proper Care and Feeding Series, and Her Ten Stupid Things Series that both address relationships in simple terms. Dr. Leman wrote many good books including Have a New Husband by Friday.
I speak from the position of a man who could not satisfy his wife. I was made to feel like the man that she married was not good enough for her, and she thought she could turn me into her ideal man if she only beat me over the head with the ideas enough. I became increasingly passive in the relationship, feeling like I could not do any right, and she became increasingly dissatisfied as she had attributed my willingness to change these things with my love or lack there of for her. She left believing there was no hope for us, and our marriage had hardly a shot fired.
I will also warn you that the longer you don’t have sex, the harder it will be to have sex. Even if he changed everything and you were attracted to him, he would have a hard time believing it, and has probably already felt such a tremendous amount of rejection, whether he shows it or not, that it is hard for him to approach you now.
DESPERATE HOUSEWIFE said...
A lot of times it’s the husband that doesn’t want to have sex. It’s just an old stereotype that wives are the ones who aren’t in the mood.
I love having sex with my hubby but he works 70 hours per week t a demanding job and comes home very tired. We have sex only once a week – usually on weekends because he’s less tired then. But Monday-Friday after work he’s a DEAD FISH. Lol
But seriously, this is getting really old for me. I want sex 3 or 4 times a week. I’ll even settle for twice a a week.
I know for a fact he’s not cheating. That’s another stereotype. There are tons of reasons for men not to want sex and cheating is only one possible reason.
So unless he cuts his hours back or finds a less demanding job I will have to resort to making myself happy if you know what I mean.
Mary said...
100% agree. It makes a huge difference to say YES!
Amazed said...
I can’t believe you people!
A little background on my life and situation.
I’ve been with the same man for 11 1/2 years and married to him for almost 6.
He was very young when we got together but swore his undying love to me.
I’ve been a loving, supportive wife and partner. I loved him dearly. I’ve devoted myself to him.
One big problem. I don’t like sex.I don’t want to do it.
Now, I’ve found out that he cheated on me with 3 different bimbos in a years time and we are divorcing.
I get little sympathy from anyone and am told its all my fault “for not putting out for your man.” And that “no man is going to stay with you unless you give him frequent sex.”
Everyone is a lot more sympathetic and understanding to him and his position than mine.
I always thought that the important things in a relationship were loving, caring , understanding, devotion and commitment.SILLY ME!!!!
Now I’ve come to realize that its all about whether or not the genitals are satisfied and bodily fluids are exchanged.Nothing else matters or is important.
Thanks to everyone and to society overall for reinforcing this message everyday and making people like me feel like an unvalued freak.Life is hell for a sexual people. We have no voice.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Amazed...
I think the reason many people are less supportive of your position is because most people do, in fact, like sex, enjoy sex, and want sex. I think I have ever only heard someone refer to them self as “asexual” maybe once.
While I sympathize with your situation, I also sympathize with your husband. He is not asexual and perhaps he thought his love for you would be enough to forgo sex. Sex for men and women is not generally an optional event, however. It is biological, physiological, emotional, and spiritual. It is meant to be practiced within marriage, not just as a means of procreation, but of connectedness and intimacy. Without being crude, you cannot be closer to someone than when you are engaged in sexual intercourse. Perhaps your husband craved that kind of closeness and intimacy.
While he may not have been sensitive to your lack of sexual desire, I wonder if you were sensitive to his need for sex. Did you ever meet his sexual needs? Were you willing to put aside your own wants for him at times? Because marriage isn’t just getting what you want all the time. It is giving of yourself, yes even sexually at times, to bless, honor, serve, and share with your spouse. I’m not saying you should have become a adult movie star for him, but a little sexual pleasure would have gone a long way, I suspect.
Lauren said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
I think it’s a huge understatement to say this husband was not “sensitive” to his wife’s lack of sexual desire. Engaging in three extramarital sexual encounters/relationships goes way beyond insensitive, whatever the context. Adultery is still just plain wrong, and a fundamentally selfish act, even if you can understand why it happens.
Oftentimes if a person feels cut off from their sexual side, something serious is going on internally. I know some people are not able to experience a healthy sexual relationship due to a history of sexual abuse or trauma, or unhealthy teachings that they have absorbed about their body and sex, which leave them associating sex only with negative or painful/traumatic experiences.
I have no idea if this is the case for Amazed, but I think your response was somewhat callous. Seems like Amazed could benefit from some solid Christian counseling/therapy to address why she feels asexual, and help her process her divorce, which seems to be causing her a significant amount of pain. Suffering people need compassion even if you think they are wrong.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Lauren...
Lauren,
In all fairness, perhaps my use of the word “sensitive” was too light. However, I never said I think she is “wrong.” I cannot and will not pretend to know the intimacies that take place inside any particular marriage. We only heard Amazed side of the story and I cannot pass judgment. I was responding to the information given. In all fairness again, her husband is not here to defend himself either. It sounds a bit cliche, I’m sure, but there is always two sides to any story. You assume his transgressions were a direct result of her lack of sexual desire. Perhaps not. Perhaps they were for another reason altogether. We don’t know how he dealt with her asexuality. Perhaps he was only “insensitive” on that issue. She does not explicitly say, except that he cheated.
The reason I took issue with her comment was because she accused other commenters of being somehow insensitive or rude for agreeing that within their own marriages, sex is a necessary component. As if they somehow could have known they were going to offend a woman who happens to be “asexual.” I find that illogical.
Do I think her husband had a right to cheat? Absolutely NOT. Do I think a lack of sex in the relationship played a role in his infidelity? I can’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’m glad you brought up counseling or therapy. Perhaps she should seek those out. She did not ask for my advice on her asexual nature however. She seemed rather confident in her ( I assume) self-diagnosis and so I did not feel compelled to offer her advice. Perhaps she doesn’t feel she needs to be fixed or cured. Perhaps she believes her asexuality is perfectly fine. But your point is taken.
Lauren said in reply to Nicole Cottrell...
My apologies for responding rather hastily before, didn’t want to come across as a meanie. I think I read the tone of the post somewhat differently – it sounded like the writer felt pretty rejected as a person because of how that situation panned out, and she was writing out of a place of hurt and frustration. You are right she did not ask for advice.
On another note, I just discovered your blog recently and it’s pretty great, so thanks for writing and actually responding to everyone’s comments!
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Lauren...
Lauren,
No need to apologize, whatsoever. You’re comment was perfectly appropriate. You seem to have a heart for others that is evident even through a computer screen.
Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. I’m happy to have you be a part of this community! Blessings to you Lauren.
Jmcolli said...
Okay, so we’re supposed to say yes even when we don’t want to. Fine, okay. I see your points but what about the guy not being affectionate or doing anything in return for the woman’s emotional needs and wants. It’s a two way street. Men and women have different needs and both sides need to give just as equally and your article is lacking in addressing that it is a two way street.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Jmcolli...
I completely agree with you that marriage is a two-way street, so to speak. No marriage can survive when only one party is interested in serving or giving. But this post, however, was not the place to address women’s needs. This post was specific to men and their needs and how wives can best meet those needs.
I just can’t make a post longer than 1000 words or people tend to not read it. But your point is a valid one. Perhaps I should write a follow-up post speaking to husbands about saying “yes.” What would you suggest husbands need to say “yes” to more often?
astro70 said...
There is a lot of really interesting stuff here, in this post, and the resulting comments.
My comment is focused on one area/question. You included this quote, in your post:
“In life there are countless things we have to do each day, even though we “don’t feel like it.” We go to work, pay our bills, call that one annoying guy, get to bed at a reasonable hour, even though we don’t necessarily feel like it. Why should sex be any different?”
To the question of “Why should sex be any different?”.
My answer: the physical nature of it, and the consequences involved.
Sex (biologically), for women, happens on the inside of their bodies. It’s not like paying bills, going to work, or doing something that occurs using the outside of their/our bodies
I’m not saying that I think that makes sex “bad”. I’m saying – that makes sex a very different ballgame for women (than for men). And a very different ballgame than just about all other activities (other than surgical procedures). This is – I think – no small matter. We commonly overlook this fact these days. But I think it’s directly related to why women were taught for so long to feel ashamed of sex, and to steer clear of it: to protect themselves, their bodies, their health, to have control over their lives and future.
Marriage doesn’t erase the consequences to women (as a result of sex).
Men do not face the same consequences that women do. After we have sex, I feel great. My wife is the one who worries, and checks the calendar (hoping she’s not pregnant – yes, even when using contraception, it can and does happen). Of course I’ll take care of her if she gets pregnant. But it is her body, that the baby will grow inside of, not mine. It’s her body. And she does not want a baby at this time, and certainly not one growing inside of her body. It’s always a possibility, however, that sex can lead to pregnancy. We men never have to think or worry about “if” the act of sex will result in human being beginning to grow inside of our bodies. For us, it is all purely about intimacy, fun, pleasure, etc.
My wife is also the one who goes to the gynecologist once a year and has her cervix scraped with a brush for the standard pap test. I have gone with her a few times. Most men don’t even know what goes on in the gynecologists office. When they see for the first time, they cringe and say “I could never stand to do that even once, let alone once a year”. Most of my guy friends don’t even ever get the full STD testing, because they refuse the tests that require the swab thing to swab inside their urethra. It’s too “invasive” for them.
My wife has had what I’m told are very common gynecological procedures. Like once she had a biopsy of her cervix cells (they cut out a bit of it in a cone shape, called a cone biopsy), and then had her cervix cells frozen (a “cryo” freezing proceedure), to make sure inflammation from HPV doesn’t progress on to cancer.
I am told that these are pretty common procedures, that many women have – and ofen don’t even complain about. Most guys don’t hear about these things, and don’t realize what women go through, as a result of being sexually active. Yes – even with their husbands. Marriage doesn’t eliminate the consequences. Being monogamous doesn’t either.
My wife is also the one who will occasionally get a vaginal infection after we have sex, or a urinary tract infection. Men don’t have to deal with that, as a result of having sex. Sure, you can say, “oh no big deal”, she just goes to the doctor, has a quick pelvic exam, and they write her a script for the infection.
And sure a lot of that stuff won’t kill her. Especially in today’s day and age.
But my point is: I really think men should be more respectful of what women do for sex and for us. So much of this is “hush hush”. My wife says that she and her female friends don’t want to complain or share the gorey details with their men. Especially because it might “gross them out”. And women don’t like to be thought of as gross, infected, or smelly (especially not “down there”). And they don’t want to be complainers or be viewed as “prudes” or overly-sensitive or weak.
But I think more women would be a lot more enthused to say “yes” to sex more often, if their men really had some understanding and respect for what goes on behind the scenes.
Guys, it’s not the same for women. Their bodies are different.
This doesn’t mean sex is bad, or something to be avoided. I think as men, we need to have more respect for this fact of life, and for our wives. More respect will translate into a deeper love, and a better overall respectful, meaningful, loving sex life.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to astro70...
I think you make an interesting argument towards the “why should sex be any different” point. However, I’d respond with a couple of points.
Firstly, I acknowledge that sex is different for women. I have written about this in fact. However, I find that many women use this as an excuse to avoid sex or say “no” to their husbands more often. Men, both married and unmarried, are asked to daily deny their instincts or natural tendencies towards being sexually aggressive or desiring multiple partners. They instead conform to society and/or marriage and try to not be sexually assertive and many choose to take on one woman for the rest of their lives, as opposed to many.
Women, however, use the fact that sex is a more emotional event for them in order to “get out of it” when they aren’t in the mood. I’m simply suggesting that if men are asked to daily supress their natural sexual tendencies, why shouldn’t (or can’t) women do the same?
In addition, much of the things you listed here in your comment have nothing to do with sex, but rather a womans genitalia. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is the truth. A trip to the ob/gyn is about the least sexual thing a woman can experience. It has everything to do with her vagina and nothing to do with intimacy between her and her husband.
I do agree with you that women would be more apt to say yes if their husbands had more understanding and respect. But I don’t think husbands need to know about yeast infections, vaginal exams, or the like. They need to realize that woman need to be put in the mood over the course of a day–kind gestures, helping with the kids, doing dishes, massaging her back–all of that helps a woman say “yes” more.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
astro70 said...
Hmmm, well, the things I listed do have everything to do with a woman’s intimacy with her husband. Don’t you think?
The trip to the gynecologist isn’t sexual. But it’s my wife’s genitalia (and internal organs) that I’m having sex with. If she’s doesn’t have sex, the consequences that affect her genitalia (and internal organs) – that are a natural result of sexual intercourse – won’t occur.
Being willing to be honest about sex and our bodies, and consequences – isn’t asking anyone to “go against their instincts”.
Children wish to be shielded from reality and consequence, and want to experience only the “pleasure” side of things. Isn’t it a part of being a responsible, loving adult (and spouse) to be able to experience pleasure in conjunction with ALSO acknowledging reality – and being honest about consequences?
Michelle twin mum said...
What an amazing eye opener to sit here and read through all these comments and Nicole I must say the way you manage to answers all the comments, both good and bad is superb.
So glad I have found your blog. Mich x
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Michelle twin mum...
Thank you for the kind words Michelle. I appreciate that. I’m glad you enjoyed the post, as well. Blessings to you!
KLS said...
Thanks for much for sharing this. I’m married to a Pastor and we lead very busy lives. We have 3 little ones under 5 and I’m often exhausted after working a full time job, having a full time weekend in ministry, and being a full time mom. Thanks for offering some advice that I can actually follow without feeling like its a sin (smile). Thanks!
Alex said...
Me and my wife have been together for about 5 months. She is preganant now and we have both been going through alot of things..ya know with the changes. But at first, we were having sex 3 times a week. Tehn later it was two. Then she accused me of asking for sex too often for here. So for her i agreed to ask he once a week. I’m a young guy, so my hormones might still be ya know. And we just got into it about me asking for sex AGAIN. And she is saying how i am holding sex over her head cause she wont do it likeI would like to. What do I do now????
Chris said...
I’ve been married for about three years now, sex was frequent at first but she is not interested now very much.
I’ve almost always had to initiate. I want a wife that desires me, and she does, but not for sex, she desires me
for conversation, listening, having meals, etc. As long as I meet those needs she is content, and I hear about it if I don’t.
The few times she is with me, she is not that into it like before. She refuses to work on finding out why or what she
can do to help herself feel more desire through the help of doctors. If she would just be cooperative in finding a solution
I could be more patient but she tells me I should just accept her as she is. I’m at the point that I don’t want to try to meet
her emotional/conversational needs anymore because she won’t be committed to seeing that my needs are taken care of.
How would she feel if I started treating her needs like she treats mine ?
Kelly said in reply to Chris...
I feel like that as well
Jose said...
Husbands don’t feel unloved and undesirable when sex is rejected, they just start looking somewhere else to fulfill the need.
WindintheWillows said...
I am a woman with “one of the rare species”. It makes me, as a woman, feel terrible if he doesn’t want to have sex with me. I love to have sex with him. I often initiate. And I get rejected most of the time. I guess I understand little of what a husband should feel like.
I would like to try and describe it this way. The way you, as a woman, feels when you are not emotionally supported, could be the way your husband would feel if you physically reject him.
I experience that most people would argue: “but me…”, “but my…” A relationship is not about a competition that one should be “better” than the other etc. I find that people are getting so self-centred nowadays, and of course, that is going straight through to our children. Hence the lack of self-control, instant need-gratification etc. All because the “me” is becoming bigger than the whole. (With the “job description” and responsibilities of the male in the Bible, I am truly thankful I am a woman.)
A lot of people posted that if their partner “would give in and lie like a doll” they would rather not do it. Of course, me neither. But what if your husband would say: OK, darn, let’s get talking a little bit, ’cause you insist. Wait, I’ll just miss the news and I’ll listen, ’cause you insist…” You would feel hurt, neglected and it would hurt your relationship. Likewise, if he’ll not be in the mood, but be considered to your needs and listen politely and with interest, or schedule a time (just after the news, Dear)it wouldn’t kill him, or degrade him or have any negative influence upon him, it would, in fact, make the relationship stronger. Same with sex, because a man is biologically “build” to have to have sex. You’ll build the relationship.
Thank you for your awesome site. Excuse the language, I’m not English!
marriedforever said...
I agree that you can have sex sometimes when not in the mood; but what if you partner has been acting like an ass, tells you he needs an “appointment” for sex, says that having sex might make him stop behaving like less of ass (actually said “he knew he had been edgy”, and this would help), so I do while toddler eating breakfast and teenager at school. Now, here comes the magic question. Now that I have had sex with an “edgy” husband, what exactly is my mood like? Did I enjoy being emotionally extorted for sex? Or did I grit my teeth and clinch my fist and hope for a quick ending? This kind of behavior has a nasty side and should not be endorsed without proper knowledge of each situation.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to marriedforever...
I completely understand your complaints, but here is what I would counter with:
How long are you and your husband going without having sex, so as to cause him to get “edgy” in the first place? For example, when I know my husband is going to have a stressful work week, I try to initiate sex first or more often, so as to help alleviate some of that stress for him. Sex for men is a huge stress reducer, much more so than for women. Being proactive might help prevent him from becoming an ass, as it were.
As for having an appointment, I’m all for it. I have a 5 year old, 3 year old, and 6 month old. I’m exhausted most days and life is crazy busy. But my husband and I have “sex” on our calendar for 2 days a week and an optional 3rd and 4th. It is not as romantic as a spontaneous night of intimacy, sure, but it helps ensure that it happens. Plus, we look forward to it on those days and flirt through the day leading up to it.
I would also encourage you to tell him how his behavior (making you feel emotionally extorted) makes you feel. I regularly communicate to my husband that if he wants to get some, I cannot be exhausted and it cannot be at the end of a hard day. Which means he helps me get kids to bed, washes dishes, and gives me a neck rub, knowing good and well that I will be way more apt to say yes to sex. Give your husband some guidelines too. He is not the only one who has needs or who is entitled to share them. If you need more emotional foreplay, or a back rub, or an extra hour of sleep, or snuggling, whatever it is, tell him. Open up the communication because communicating well on the issue of sex is the most important thing we can do in our marriages to ensure that our sex life is a happy one.
Blessings to you.
Mark Missing (idonthave@email.com) said...
I really love my wife, and have since we met. Next week we will be “celebrating” our 24th year together which is a milestone for my wife as she will have at that point lived with me longer than with her parents. We started off having sex often. Then it slowed down, and has been a yo yo for many years. We don’t kiss much either and I like to kiss (most guys I know don’t.)
At one point, sex stopped completely for 9 months, then I got sex, but no touching. Honestly, it is frustrating and to be honest, it’s true that men feel rejected when a wife (or girlfriend) says no. Even now I am having difficulties writing this because it does hurt.
My Pastor preached a sermon (shortly before he divorced, so I can associate with him) where he spoke of having counseled people for over twenty years with marriage issues, and spoke of the wives who always picked fights with the husband, and withheld sex for two weeks. Two days before the two weeks is up, they pick a fight and it’s another two weeks.
He then said that they show up to his office, crying and wondering why their husbands are off having affairs. The answer is simple. If you don’t have sex with your husband, Satan will send him someone who will. And she will do it twice a day! You can only blame yourselves ladies! <– That's my opinion.
Well, the sex kind of picked up, but in recent years I've heard the "I love you but am not in love with you" line. I'm sure she does love me, and I have been faithful, even though I feel that I was entitled to have an affair.
Well, the sex has been seldom lately. two or three times a month, and my "stamina" is now suffering due to health issues, and I really feel cheated by not having the sex I wanted or felt "entitled" to. This being the case, and as I write this, I was again rejected just a mere 4 hours ago.
I'm not getting any younger, and recently I began striking up a conversation with a woman I meet almost daily at a deli getting our coffee. She is at best an acquaintance from around town, and I began to feel attracted to her. I wanted to ask her out for coffee, and lo and behold she divorced her husband about a year ago.
This past Friday, I asked her out for coffee, and much to my complete and unexpected surprise she said yes. We haven't planned a date for it yet, but I think it will happen this week. My "plan" at this point is just to get to know her a little better. I will be explaining to her why I asked her for coffee, and honestly it is to start a relationship if she's up to it.
I'm really not looking for a sexual relationship at this point — only talking, kissing and hugging or caressing. I just need to feel "loved" if that makes any sense. The time of rejection is hopefully over for me, and I don't like what I am about to do, but I really feel that I have put up with this for a very long time, and that most men would have cheated a long time ago. I said at the start of this paragraph that I wasn't looking for sex, but should the situation present itself, I don't know that I would be able to resist. I won't be pushing for it, but if my "girlfriend" does, it will be a hard decision to make and I don't know how long I would be able to hold out.
I know that some of the ladies reading this will call me names, but ladies, I've had it. I really put up with it longer than most men would, and when an evangelist visited my church, and prayed for my wife, not knowing anything about her, and said "You have the spirit of rejection," (this happened maybe 8 years ago) then the answer was handed to me back then. I'm sorry for having to do this, and feel some shame, but again, I was placed in this position. I just hope that this ends well. Thanks for letting me vent.
Daniel B said...
“I want a wife that desires me, and she does, but not for sex, she desires me for conversation, listening, having meals, etc. As long as I meet those needs she is content, and I hear about it if I don’t.” (sounds like your wife just wants a close female roomie, not a spouse)
“There’s a culture among women that says that sex is something that needs to be earned”
“I agree 100%, you need more sex is a relationship to keep it healthy than the average woman seems to want.”
“I have been married for 8 years and in the beginning – couldn’t give a flip about sex”
“Why isn’t the man expected to please his wife by *not* having sex?”
And comments like these are why being a single Christian guy who desires marraige is sometimes pretty depressing. It leaves A LOT of them thinking: What am I waiting for? Nothing much apparently.
“A ot of times it’s the husband that doesn’t want to have sex. It’s just an old stereotype that wives are the ones who aren’t in the mood. ”
It’s clearly not JUST an old stereotype since the majority of current personal experience comments from both genders are in agreement with it.
“Your desire to say ‘No” comes directly from that sex hating religion of yours.”
Uh, what? It’s not like this is something that exists only in Christianity. Men wanting sex more often and women continually being not in the mood for it is not something that happens among gender lines. I’ve lost track of the number of atheist/agnostic/humanist/etc men who’ve commented that “When marriage starts, the sex ends” and similar things like that.
Daniel B said...
“I want a wife that desires me, and she does, but not for sex, she desires me for conversation, listening, having meals, etc. As long as I meet those needs she is content, and I hear about it if I don’t.” (sounds like your wife just wants a close female roomie, not a spouse)
“There’s a culture among women that says that sex is something that needs to be earned”
“I agree 100%, you need more sex is a relationship to keep it healthy than the average woman seems to want.”
“I have been married for 8 years and in the beginning – couldn’t give a flip about sex”
“Why isn’t the man expected to please his wife by *not* having sex?”
And comments like these are why being a single Christian guy who desires marraige is sometimes pretty depressing. It leaves A LOT of them thinking: What am I waiting for? Nothing much apparently.
“A ot of times it’s the husband that doesn’t want to have sex. It’s just an old stereotype that wives are the ones who aren’t in the mood. ”
It’s clearly not JUST an old stereotype since the majority of current personal experience comments from both genders are in agreement with it.
“Your desire to say ‘No” comes directly from that sex hating religion of yours.”
Uh, what? It’s not like this is something that exists only in Christianity. Men wanting sex more often and women continually being not in the mood for it is not something that happens among gender lines. I’ve lost track of the number of atheist/agnostic/humanist/etc men who’ve commented that “When marriage starts, the sex ends” and similar things like that
Kristi said...
I won’t say that my husband is exactly like one of those “rare breed” types…. but I DO want sex more often than he does. Part of it is the season of my life; I am 39 and in my “sexual peak”! I don’t want sex two or three times a week; at some times of the month, I want sex two or three times a DAY! (in the morning, when we wake up, and in the evening….but midday, when available, would be grand too!! :)) Mind you, not EVERY DAY…. but I seem to want to make love A LOT!!! And, when I want to and he doesn’t…. he just says, “well, you should just accept the fact that I will continue to be a disappointment to you” (which, I know full well is a LIE from the PIT OF HELL…. and the LORD rebuke the deceiver who devises such lies!)…. and then he walks away while I sit there feeling foolish and naked (literally and figuratively)…. and all I want is more sexual intimacy with my husband. Just as a note, the sexual relations that we DO have are AMAZING…. i mean AMAZING!! And, I tell him…. a lot!! I know that is important to a man and “words of affirmation” are one of his love languages… so, I make sure to vocalize (both during sex and outside of the bed) how much I love it…. how great I think he is in bed, etc…. so, I want to be content with what we DO have which is great…. but it is still this sad irony for me…. here I am, ready to go….. almost all of the time….. and my husband actually says “no” to me from time to time…. when he just doesn’t “feel” like it..
The thing is, I used to be different… when I was younger and was previously married, didn’t know (or rejected) the Truth, was acting out the lie that is “feminism”, etc.. i rejected headship and submission too….I also played that “we will have sex when you deserve it” game too – a deadly game with no winners! So, I think this post is spot on! It speaks to a heart issue and sacrificial love. (and, WOW, that rape comment that someone made was just such an emotional over-reaction. I have been raped in marriage, so I know….. one of the many pitfalls of a marriage spiraling out of control; one in which sex is used as currency and as part of a “reward” system….ugh!!! Thankfully, none of what you wrote had anything to do with rape. Seems to me that people are missing what you DIDN’T say: namely, that a husband should FORCE his wife to say YES. I didn’t see where you wrote that…. maybe I missed it and that explains some of the angry comments ;) It is the same thing with the whole “submission” discussion…. Submission is something that women do voluntarily, as unto the LORD… not something that husbands can coerce!!)
From reading through most of the negative comments it seems there is a common thread: most of them seem to have bought into “modern” thinking that says it is all about “me” and what I want and “he needs to satisfy me if he wants this”…. that is “law” thinking instead of “grace” thinking. If you do such and such, THEN you are worthy of the Blood of Christ! Thankfully THAT isn’t so. I even had to encourage my husband to let me make love to him when we were in a drawn out time of arguing and having unresolved issues… we seemed to be at an impasse and I wanted to make love to him – not because sex will fix everything, but to affirm, in the midst of a tense time, our love, commitment, intimacy, etc…. (that is a radical turnaround from who I once was…thank you, LORD).
And, of course, as I am typing this, I am not missing the message to exhibit grace toward my husband. This morning, we had a wonderful time of emotional intimacy, conversation and prayer in bed….and then i wanted to make love! He started to speak and I did too (at the same time), so I let him go ahead. He said: well, i guess I will get up and go work on some of that paperwork. And, I said: oh, I was going to ask you to make love to me. He said: I know you were. But, he got up and went downstairs….and I was left crying in bed….asking the LORD to deal with our hearts…to help me forgive him…to increase my husband’s desire for me or to decrease mine (I would prefer the former of course :) ) Gosh….. I just saw it as it is….or, had another a-ha moment! Satan is such a schemer, such an enemy of marriage: we had that beautiful time of emotional and spiritual intimacy this morning…. so he attempted to divide us over the physical aspect. But, I won’t stand down and let him!
Thanks for letting me unload my heart a bit here… I am going to go downstairs and lay my broken, naked heart at my husband’s feet once again…. loving him means loving all the way, all the time….even when it hurts….even when I have to swallow my pride or miss out on something that I desperately want.
Anon said...
I know this is an old thread, but perhaps someone out there has some insight. I’m married (6 years) and pregnant (26 weeks) and we haven’t had sex since I got pregnant. I’m not sure how dh feels about it (I think he is concerned about the safety of the child, which is understandable), but frankly, I’m relived that I get a break from having to perform the duty of sex. Dh let me know early on that he is not interested in making sex fun or eben
interesting, that I shouldn’t make a big deal about it and that sex is just
something we should be able to just “do” (without any effort our imagination on his part).
Why should I reward this behavior? Why should I have to shoulder the burden of obligatory sex when he had no interest in making it enjoyable? I do have a right to actually enjoy sex, right? Or is that something only husbands get to insist upon?
Kelly said...
I don’t know if this site is still active or not but I’m going to post for peace of mind. My wife and I have been married for 3 years and lately I’ve been looking up advice as to why I get rejected so much. I am 36, she is 35. We make love maybe twice a month and it kills me that it’s so seldom. I’m not some drone of a man, I grew up around women. I have always loved women and everything about them. I find beauty in everyone no matter what they look like, big, or small. I love my wife to pieces. We were best friends for years before she finally gave in and gave me a shot.
When we first committed to each other the sex was way more frequent, but has tapered way off. I know she has worries about life, we all do, I get that. However, after awhile I get physical tension and sexual stress,I don’t mean too, it just happens. My wife is incredibly gorgeous to me and extremely sexy which makes it hard for me to NOT want her. It’s more than physical to me than anything. Making love helps me feel reconnected emotionally to her. Each day that goes by that we don’t make love, each time I’m rejected, there’s some resentment I can’t help but feel. My feelings get hurt deeply inside. I try not to show it, but sometimes the pain it causes, makes me want to cry. Then I feel ashamed as a man for nearly crying. Men aren’t suppose to feel like this right? But I do…
I’ve tried talking to her about it, but it makes no difference. She is basically going to force me to cut off the desire completely and put up a wall. Who wants the anguish of rejection so much from someone they love? I’ve thought of cheating and that really makes it worse for me because I know I should never even have the thought, but a void has been created that needs to be filled. I’m afraid that I may break if someone else tempts me and knowing that upsets me. I can’t leave her over sex, I would hate myself. I feel like such a horrible person.
What do I do?
Kelly said in reply to Kelly...
I forgot, when we DO make love it’s utterly amazing. I’m very creative, imaginative, and very adventurous and it’s like she just forgets how great it is. I DON’T!! I never ever finish before she’s had a few and am all about her. I don’t understand…
Jo said...
Been there, done that. Read half a dozen books. My husband treats and talks with me as if I am a stranger downstairs, but he wants me to meet his sexual needs upstairs. He believes that since he earns the income (I’ve raised and home schooled our two kids), he has more than met his obligations as a husband, and my job is to fulfill his sexual needs. I’ve tried as for as many years as I could, even after he brought out the shotgun and told me I was his enemy, even after he threw my clothes on the floor and told me to leave (twice), even after he kicked me out of the house in nothing but my pajamas, even after he told me he wanted a divorce (three times). I’ve tried. He believes that the only problem in our marriage is that I do not meet his sexual needs. I cause his anger. Note: that is what all abusive husbands claim. A wife is a partner, not a prostitute that has been bought and paid for. He will not see a counselor. He only went to a doctor after he became catatonic and could not pull himself completely out of it. When someone who has a mental illness blames his wife for his emotional problems AND requires sex for him to remain functional — there are problems that sex cannot solve. Where’s the message about husbands loving their wives? Where’s the message about husbands doing something, anything, to help their wives welcome their sexual advances? We are human beings, not sex toys available on demand.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Jo...
Jo,
I cannot begin to understand the heartache you’ve experienced at the hands of your husband. But I will clarify that your husband, while I don’t know him, from the description you give here sounds like he was mentally not well and bordering on abusive.
My post telling women to have sex is not in the parameters of an abusive relationship. It simply is not. I suppose I could have written that as a preface to the post, but I admit that the idea never crossed my mind because it is so far from my own experience.
So, I apologize if you view this as me giving an abusive husband permission to demand sex from his wife. That is not the message I wish to condone here in anyway. This is an encouragement for women to say “yes” to sex more often within their otherwise happy marriages, so as to produce even happier healthier marriages.
Thank you for being willigness to comment here. I appreciate it very much.
Liz said...
I am a twenty year old woman and your post here absolutely terrifies me. Middle aged men wrote the bible. Middle aged men in the form of preachers today tell women that they should please their husbands even if they themselves will get no pleasure. Middle aged men in the form of husbands further this by insisting upon the act of sex. This is the reality. Your opinions or feelings do not come into play in your relationship and I feel awful for you for becoming so blinded by your master. Oops! I meant husband.
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Liz...
Liz,
Do you believe that God make sex for both men and women to enjoy? I do. The clitoris, for example, has no anatomical purpose on a woman except to bring pleasure.
I think, however, as a married women, that many other married women forfeit sex because they find it an inconvenience many times. They are tired or distracted or any number of things. I am not in any way condoning women just roll over and let their husband climb on top of them. What I am arguing, however, is that if more women committed to the importance and need for sex within marriage, thus prioritizing it marriages would be happier overall.
I have men write me who in sexless marriages–whose wives have not had sex with them for 2,3, 5+ years. I would ask you Liz, do you think that is okay? Do you think that a marriage is at its strongest when it is a sexless one?
No where in this post do I suggest that my husband gets to demand, force, or coerce me into having sex. It is a ridiculous and preposterous conclusion for you to even suggest such a thing. I happen to believe that sex is a gift to be shared between a husband and a wife, freely and often. If a woman in constantly in “no” mode, well then that gift cannot be shared. My goal is not to encourage women to become mindless sex drones or for men to Lord over them as masters. No! My goal is to help encourage women to understand their husbands needs and to encourage more sex within marriage because it is critical to the overall health and strength of marriages.
Sarah said...
Wow what a discussion has taken place here! It was so interesting and thought-provoking to read your post, Nicole, and all of the comments that follow it. I know it’s an older post but obviously it is very much a relevant one. Thank you for posting!! There are many different people out there with many different views on this and of course there are going to be people who read this and are appalled at what they read because they don’t understand it or don’t agree with Christianity, or just plain don’t agree with it at all. It doesn’t fit for everyone but I love that you are trying to “encourage women to understand their husbands needs and to encourage more sex within marriage because it is critical to the overall health and strength of marriages.” It is so so true! I came to this site feeling like one of the women you write about and now I am enthusiastic and excited to try this out! I have heard before that couples that have this issue may try to commit to having sex every day for 30 days straight and that many (if not all of them) come out of the challenge with happier and healthier sex lives and relationships because of it. It sounds similar to what you’re preaching here. It’s not about forcing yourself or being forced to do something you are completely against, it’s about loving the partner that you had committed to loving forever, and when you make it a priority to meet or exceed your partner’s expectations, and when you have a partner that wants the same for you, the love that flows from that is endless. No relationship is perfect, and, again, this cannot be said for every relationship (not every relationship was made to last) but it is true for many. If you make that commitment and you have a partner who makes that commitment to you, that is a happy and healthy relationship. Thank you again Nicole for a great article!
Nicole Cottrell said in reply to Sarah...
Sarah,
Thank you for commenting! You so get it and I’m encouraged to know that this post inspired you in some small way to put some of these ideas into practice.
May your marriage and marriage bed be abundantly blessed as a result!
sassylitleokie (stacitressler@yahoo.com) said...
Loved the article and yes I agree….. I have been on the side of “No, not tonight” or “I am to tired,” to watching my husband slowly shut down all emotional connection with me. Yep I did it and I am not proud. Now he calls me a nympho and to be quite honest I am loving every bit of our half hour nightly connection……. Well worth the change! But it took me noticing he was not noticing me anymore:-)
laura (laura) said...
I find it really funny ( not in a haha sense ) when non Christian’s comment on Christian blogs. First being only one of few Christians around, I always hear the worst stories about sex. I.e boyfriend forced them, girlfriend wasn’t really paying attention, to people’s private parts being laughed at and I just closed my eyes. Errr sorry WHAT that sounds like RUBBISH SEX TO ME!! Sorry to be blunt but non Christian’s aren’t having great sex at all from what I am hearing
The bible doesn’t allow either sex to demand sex NEVER!! Trust me I am sure you are gonna have rubbish sex. Men do you know what happens to you neurologically if you just want to gratify your genitals, when you finished you have that staving feeling. It’s because you didn’t actually have real sex, you just pleasured yourself which is a small part of the story, what a waste. You FAILED to satisfy a woman that actually makes you not a man but a PIG
Women when you reject a man on a number of occasions, he will get some complex which is most likely to be physical. I.e I can’t satisfy her etc. When you do have sex you will find he will try to cut himself off more because, he really doesn’t want to have the pain of you hurting him sexually. When you offer a man sex he will be a fool to reject you!!! you will feel a lot more free don’t wait for him to start things going , just open your mouth and say what you want, make it plain obvious (women we know how to use our eyes VERY well .) What is this RUBBISH that Christian women aren’t sexual or never think about sex, really no. Honestly sex is a gift own it !! Women try to think of sex as a gift think of unwrapping your husband like a pair of shoes or a dress. Then you find a good looking man becomes even hotter.
Hope this helps